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*  From: <Heinzle@aol.com>: boom vang rules
*  From: <pline@en.com>: regatta results
*  From: <@surname.draper.com:William_Hall@qmlink.draper.com>: Re: boom vang rules
*  From: <apline@en.com>: Alex Pline's e-mail address
*  From: <pline@en.com>: "Boatspeed Tuning" article
*  From: <Heinzle@aol.com>: boom vang
*  From: <charlieb@vnet.ibm.com>: boom vang (anti-vang actually)
*  From: <pline@en.com>: Re: boom vang (anti-vang actually)
*  From: <spicknal@umich.edu>: International 505 recruiting
*  From: <Heinzle@aol.com>: re: boom vang
*  From: <pline@en.com>: Re: International 505 recruiting
*  From: <bedford@kegs.saic.com>: Re: International 505 recruiting
*  From: <wyspensi@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu>: Re: International 505 recruiting
*  From: <spicknal@umich.edu>: Re: International 505 recruiting
*  From: <skeckler@ai.mit.edu>: Snipe recruiting...
*  From: <Heinzle@aol.com>: new members
*  From: <72254.1777@compuserve.com>: 505
*  From: <jdorrian@astro.ocis.temple.edu>: Snipe used boat list
*  From: <73244.752@compuserve.com>: Change to digest format
*  From: <Plines@aol.com>: Re: Snipe recruiting...
*  From: <72254.1777@compuserve.com>: 10 reasons to sail a snipe
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Subject: boom vang rules

I'm considering installing a "topping lift" type boom vang on my snipe. The
rules specify a boom vang of any type or configuration is allowed. Is a boom
vang with a lifting mechanism allowed. This would be a helpful addition on
those light air days.

Please clarify.

Joe Heinzle
#567
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Does anyone from D6 have the results of the SCAYC Midwinters from February??

If so can you post them to snipe@ai.mit.edu?

Thanks, Alex
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I'm almost 100% sure that it's NOT allowed to lift the boom.
Bill

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Date: 3/6/95 5:05 PM
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From: Heinzle@aol.com
I'm considering installing a "topping lift" type boom vang on my snipe. The
rules specify a boom vang of any type or configuration is allowed. Is a boom
vang with a lifting mechanism allowed. This would be a helpful addition on
those light air days.

Please clarify.

Joe Heinzle
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To the Snipe group:

If you send mail directly to me, please note that I'm using a different
e-mail address for Snipe related activities:

pline@en.com

I have had Steve Keckler change the address in the Snipe list. If you are
writing about official NASA business ;-) or want to get a message to me at
work, continue to use apline@en.com, otherwise I check the
pline@en.com account in the evenings.

Thanks,

Alex


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As promised here is the article "Boatspeed Tuning" by Mark Reynolds. It is
also located on the Snipe WWW server. 

Mark-Sorry about the North reference!!! 

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Boatspeed Tuning
by Mark Reynolds
Snipe Bulletin, March 1981
(Originally published in the North Sails Snipe Newsletter)

Most of us use the race course to test new sails or tuning adjustments. We
put up a new sail or change our shrouds and then go out and use it on the
race course. Usually, if we win the race, we flgure we were fast and if we
lost, we were probably slow. We may not, in fact, have won or lost because
of boatspeed, but were tactically smart that day or unfortunate to be out of
phase with the shifts. The best way to test new equipment, or tune, is with
straight line two boat testing.  A testing program allows you to isolate
variables in order to see what is fast or slow in adjustment or sails. We
can make small changes in a controlled situation to leap frog our boat speed
to a higher level.

Here at North Sails we are constantly two-boat testing to insure that our
sails remain the fastest available. Small changes are made in existing
models or a completely new design may be tested. You can use this same
process to increase your boatspeed. Not only sails can be tested but changes
in other factors, such as mast bend, sheet tension and jib leads.  When
boatspeed testing, it is best to use only two boats. It is possible to use
more but this can become harder to keep organized. It is best to test in an
area that is as frce of shifts as possiblc. The two boats line up with
approximately 1 1/2 boat lengths between them and the leeward boat even with
the windward boat.

The leeward boat usually has a little advantage because it is able to foot
off without worrying about bad air, so it is best to alternate positions in
case one boat is a pointer and the other a footer. The distance between the
boats should not be too great so the boats will remain in the same wind.
When ever one boat pulls out ahead or drops too far to leeward, stop and
start over again. You learn nothing with one boat dead ahead of the other.
Always keep an eye on the compass to make sure you can account for shifts
which will favor one boat or the other. When testing, first make a few
control runs with your standard trim so you can measure the change in speed.
Change only one thing at a time.

When sail testing we try to have identical crew weight, masts, hulls and
tune.  This way we are able to isolate the variables. Boat "A" and "B' will
start with the same sails. If the speed is not equal at this point we will
switch helmsmen to see if this makes a difference. When we have both boats
going the same speed, we have one boat put up the new sail. After we have
measured a difference, we will switch  sails between boats to see if we get
the same result. When testing tuning changes let one boat (the faster if
there is a difference) remain constant while the other changes their tune.

Keep track of all changes made, wind and water conditions and any other
variables so the experiment can be tried again in different conditions at a
later date to see if the conclusion is the same. When testing sails, we must
test in every wind condition before an experimcntal model is tested on the
race course and becomes a standard model.

Variables to experiment with: sails main and jib; mast bend - shrouds,
spreaders, pullers; jib leads-fore and aft or in and out; main traveller
adjustment; rake; mainsheet and jib sheet tension.


Everyone sails with different styles, crew weights and abilities, so
everyone cannot sail with the same trim. Copying the set up of the fleet
champion may not be the answer for you if you sail 5 pounds heavier.
Two-boat testing will allow you to arrive at the optimum trim you need.
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Alex Pline                               
1615 Lewis Dr.               "Moderation in Moderation"
Lakewood, OH 44107

Phone:      (216) 433-6614 (w)             (216) 529-1933 (h) 
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From: Heinzle@aol.com
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Subject: boom vang

Any more comments on a "boom kicker" type boom vang for a snipe. Three
responses seems a little light. Anyone know who to contact at SCIRA for a
more accurate interpretation of the rules?

Our season on the midwest is almost here. Anyone feeling itchy yet?

Joe Heinzle
Lincoln, NE $567


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Subject: boom vang   (anti-vang actually)

The only comment I would add is that Mike McLaughlin tried it in the
nationals the year he sailed it with .. I believe it was Bill Simmons.
I remember one of them reporting to me that it was not faster.  Which
struck me as a surprise because I want as much twist in light air as
possible.  I'm not sure how controversial it was rule wise as I did not
attend the Nationals that year.
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OK, OK I checked the '92-'95 SCIRA Handbook... here's what I found:

  Page 37, Section 8: Approved Options Not Covered Elsewhere, rule 8.4:

  Boom Vang: No restriction on type. May be used at any time.

***BUT***

  Page 36, Section 7: General Restrictions, rule 8.0 states:

        Options. Nothing is optional in these plans, specifications or
restrictions unless definitely stated as such.

        [in italics]The puropse of the restrictions under which Snipe hulls
and sails are approved is to insure that, to as great a degree as possible,
all hulls and sails have identical racing capability. It is impossible to
list every single variation that might turn up in the future, and it is
impossible to make any set of restrictions in which, at some future date,
someone cannot find what appears to be a legal means of obtaining some
racing advantage. Any boat or sail having features which are not consistent
with this purpose will not be approved and cannot race even though there is
no specific restriction preventing the item in question. Improvements and
changes will be made only when these changes do not obsolete older boats
from the standpoint of racing capability or when they can be accomplished by
anyone at reasonable cost.

---

In other words, a catch all phrase to outlaw something if the class deems it
not in the best interest of the class. My read on this is that a spring
loaded rod in addition to the standard tension type vang would not cause the
above paragraph to be invoked. This change could be made easily by anyone. I
think the intent is to keep things like changes in hull shape (loopholes in
the current way hulls are measured) etc. from obsoleting boats. For instance
a whole back the Japaneese devised a hydraulic spreader adjustment.
Eventhough it would be legal as long as you didn't adjust it while sailing,
the class felt that it was too big a change that would provide too great an
advantage, becuase you COULD change it between races (and while racing for
that matter), with a severe cost and complexity penalty (my words, so don't
persecute me if I didn't get the story quite right!!).

Another piece of data from Bill Buckles, the builder of the Mueller Snipe
(no claims by anyone on validity, especially from Bill): He said that he
felt the class would NOT OK it if the vang was soley a solid vang (i.e. a
hydraulic type like a big boat), but that a hybrid consisting of a spring
(or otherwise) loaded strut in conjunction with the standard tension type
vang would be OK. For instance you can hold up the boom with your paddle if
you want, or by hand for that matter. Bill also mentioned that he thought a
"topping lift" would not be legal.

Anyone else have anything to add?

Alex
Alex

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Alex Pline               "Moderation in moderation"
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From spicknal@umich.edu  Fri Mar 10 09:25:55 1995
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From: spicknal@umich.edu (Mark H. Spicknall)
Subject: International 505 recruiting

Can the Long Beach Snipe Fleet arrange a similar pitch, emphasizing the
class's large numbers of fleets and racing participants, depth of
competition, and tactical nature?   The 5o5 is indeed fun to sail, but it
is not nearly as tactical as the Snipe.  The 5o5 class, although having
several excellent sailors in a few locations, does not have much depth or a
large number of fleets and participants in North America.  The "customers"
here will be the best collegiate sailors in the country, who will be
looking for the best competition wherever they go when they leave school,
probably not just a fun ride.

>Date: Thu, 09 Mar 95 12:49:06 PST
>From: "Martin, Mike" <mmartin@clarabelle.cbmrd.com>
>Encoding: 55 Text
>To: icyra@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu
>Subject: International 505 rides and info
>Status:   
>
>     The 505 Fleet is looking for a few good sailors. And what better place 
>     to find them than the ICYRA National Championships in Long Beach CA.  
>     The Southern California fleet will be giving test drives to interested 
>     sailors on June 3&4 at the regatta sight.
>        For those of you not familiar with the 505 it is the ultimate 2 man 
>     planing racing dingy. It is 16'6" (5.05 meters) has 355 sq.ft of sail 
>     area and weighs only 280 lbs, and has one trapeze. In light air it 
>     very agile similar to college dingys, but quicker.  It starts planing 
>     in about 10 knots and just keeps going faster and faster as the breeze 
>     builds.  On an Olympic course it is faster than a FD or I14, however, 
>     it is very controllable and heavy air. At the European Championships 
>     last summer, in a race that the wind was blowing 30+, the top five 
>     boats finished overlapped after 2 hours of racing.  Paul Elvstrom said 
>     "The 505 is really my favorite class because it is so lively and 
>     responsive in all types of wind and sea conditions."
>      505 sailing is not for everyone, however a good college sailor is 
>     perfect to step into the fleet and be competitive at the national 
>     level.  Good weight for the driver is 120 to 175 lbs male or female. 
>     and good crew weight is 175 to 225 lbs. and as tall as possible.
>        The boats are very durable, a ten year old boat is easily capable 
>     of winning the worlds and can be acquired for as little as $4000.
>     
>     If you would like more information about the boats or class, there is 
>     an on line information address, you can send a request to sign up to 
>     dstetson@skipper.biosci.ohio-state.edu . below are a list of contacts 
>     in each area of the US.
>     
>     New England 
>     Barry Kuehl      203-288-9406
>     Tom Kivney       617-749-0617
>     
>     Mid-Atlantic
>     Macy Nelson        410-947-1998    macyann@aol.com
>     Ali Meller         310-977-5388    ameller@mcimail.com
>     
>     Mid-West           
>     Graham Alexander   614-424-7709
>     Dave Stetson       614-459-4178    dstetson@skipper.biosci.ohio-state.edu
>     
>     Northern California
>     Bryan Largay       408-425-7752    blarg@crusio.com 
>     Bruce Tilly        415-637-1320
>     
>     Southern California
>     Mike Martin        310-493-2061    mmartin@cbmrd.com 
>     Don Smith          310-422-7695
>     
>     Pac Northwest
>     Anne And Chris Henderson   206-783-0677
>     
>     
>     Call.  Take a ride.  Never go slow again.
>     
>     Mike Martin
>     mmartin@cbmrd.com
>
>

Mark Spicknall
University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute
Marine Systems Division
Phone +313.764.2298; FAX +313.936.1081; E-mail spicknal@umich.edu



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Subject: re: boom vang

Alex and Charlie:

Thanks for your input. Based on your research on he matter (thanks BTW) I
think i'll try it with a nitrogen cylinder from a junked car. I figure the
first hint of trouble will come in the form of protest. However, since the
mod is so easy and you are allowed to hold the boom up by less mechanical
means, I see it as completely legal.

Thanks again for the input.

Joe Heinzle
Heinzle@aol.com


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I have thought about tapping the ICYRA mailing list as a resource to (ok
I'll say it) advertise the Snipe. The college/post college types are really
the one of our target markets. I have been hesitant to use their list to
blatantly advertise the Snipe (re: the 505 article). I know we would
probably be upset if someone started using the Snipe list to advertise
something like foul weather gear or other marine related products. Kind of
like companies selling their mailing lists etc. Anyway, I have been thinking
of approaching the moderator/compiler of the list and asking him first what
he feels would be an appropriate use of the list that would suit our purpose.

I will take it upon myself to do this in the next few days. At this point, I
feel that we would look like we are having a "we're beter than you" are
contest with the 505 if we send anything to the list now. 

Anyone else have any comments?

Alex
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Space Experiments Division     "Moderation in Moderation"
NASA Lewis Research Center
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From bedford@kegs.saic.com  Fri Mar 10 12:45:20 1995
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From: bedford@kegs.saic.com (Don Bedford x5644)
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Subject: Re: International 505 recruiting

I agree w/ Alex.  I'd like only the web site "advertised" and those who are
interested can check it out.  I've seen a few links around the net and anyone
doing a WAIS search on boats or sailing could easily find it.  I'm not to hot
on the "direct mailing" approach.

Also, the posting about Snipe contacts in each area is a great idea for grads
looking for a friendly face when relocating after graduation.

don

> From pline@en.com Fri Mar 10 08:00:00 1995
> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:59:58 -0500
> To: snipe@ai.mit.edu
> From: pline@en.com (Alex Pline)
> Subject: Re: International 505 recruiting
> 
> I have thought about tapping the ICYRA mailing list as a resource to (ok
> I'll say it) advertise the Snipe. The college/post college types are really
> the one of our target markets. I have been hesitant to use their list to
> blatantly advertise the Snipe (re: the 505 article). I know we would
> probably be upset if someone started using the Snipe list to advertise
> something like foul weather gear or other marine related products. Kind of
> like companies selling their mailing lists etc. Anyway, I have been thinking
> of approaching the moderator/compiler of the list and asking him first what
> he feels would be an appropriate use of the list that would suit our purpose.
> 
> I will take it upon myself to do this in the next few days. At this point, I
> feel that we would look like we are having a "we're beter than you" are
> contest with the 505 if we send anything to the list now. 
> 
> Anyone else have any comments?
> 
> Alex
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From wyspensi@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu  Fri Mar 10 12:50:09 1995
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From: wyspensi@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu (William Yates Spens Iii)
To: pline@en.com, snipe@ai.mit.edu
Subject: Re: International 505 recruiting

I'd suggest e-mailing Jay Allen at  jsallen@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu.
I don't think he'd have a problem with it.  You might ask him to post
it for you, as people on the list seem to take anything that looks like
advertising better when it seems to be moderated (coming from the list
manager).
                   -Bill Spens  (spens@uoknor.edu)
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From: spicknal@umich.edu (Mark H. Spicknall)
Subject: Re: International 505 recruiting

>Anything the Snipe class does should be better written/edited.

I was thinking more in terms of having an event, booth, and/or boats at the
collegiate nationals, as opposed to publishing a big PR piece on the ICYRA
list.

Mark Spicknall
University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute
Marine Systems Division
Phone +313.764.2298; FAX +313.936.1081; E-mail spicknal@umich.edu



From skeckler@ai.mit.edu  Fri Mar 10 13:59:32 1995
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Subject: Snipe recruiting...


This discussion raises some good issues about how to attract new
members to the Snipe class.  I think it requires a number of elements,
including providing information at national boat shows, trade rags, 
mailing lists, etc.

However, I think that the most effective method is at the grass roots
level.  This means pounding the pavement in your local area and
getting people interested in your fleet.  In the Mystic Lake fleets
there have been 4 or 5 new boats in the last 2 years (which includes
mine), all owned by the "under-30" set.  All of these new people have
become involved because we race in the winter and on the Charles river
on summer evenings in various types of boats with a current Sniper.
He talked up the Snipe and we have been dribbling in since.

One of the ideas that a couple of us have been tossing around
informally is that of hosting a regatta for the local college
sailing teams (Tufts, Harvard, BU, MIT, etc.) in Snipes belonging to
fleet members.  We could run it as a collegiate style regatta with A
and B divisions and even field a team from our fleet to compete
against the college crowd.  It isn't even to the planning stage yet,
but I'll keep you posted.

Last month Joe Heinzle sent a message describing how his fleet in
Lincoln, NE was getting new sailors involved.  I have included the
text of that at the bottom of this message.

Perhaps the best way for SCIRA to handle this is to provide ideas and
guidance to local Snipe fleets.  I know Lisa Foulke Pline is working
on this and publicizing these types of things (such as World Snipe
Day).  However, there's only so much an International organization can
do to recruit without the active involvement of local fleets.

So heed the call of World Snipe Day and take a non-Snipe sailor Snipe
sailing (say that 5 times fast!).  Think of new ways to attract
already sailors and not-yet sailors to your fleet, and keep us all
informed.

Steve.
Snipe #27238

Steve Keckler                    Concurrent VLSI Architecture Group
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From Heinzle@aol.com  Mon Feb 13 12:44:46 1995
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Subject: new members

Our fleet, #567, recently presented ourselves at a local boat show here in
Lincoln, NE. The results were good. We got twenty names on our mailing list,
all of which have previous sailing experience. We have also begun receiving
calls from some of the 100+ seemingly disinterested folks that picked-up our
flyers from the booth.

Our plans now include a couple of social introduction parties before the
docks are in and some clinics and such to help aquaint the novices with
Snipes. We think we'll land some new crews and have already landed one new
member for sure and another in the works. 

These new members and crews will help us get more boats on the water for
races and hopefully inspire some of the fuddy-duddies in our fleet to take
the covers off their boats and sail a couple races.

The total monetary damage?? Less than $150. All the time was volunteered and
we got a break from the show organizer because we weren't selling anything.

If you're tired of hearing skippers blaming the lack of crew for their not
being on the water and dissatisfied with the number of boats SAILING in your
fleet, give this a shot.

From 72254.1777@compuserve.com  Fri Mar 10 14:10:28 1995
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From: Vince Casalaina <72254.1777@compuserve.com>
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I don't have the reservations about 'direct mail' that others seem to have.

The 505's were 'advertising' a service that they intend to provide at the ICYRA 
Championship.  That to me is very different than advertising a good buy on foul 
weather gear.  

In fact what they are advertising (a chance to go sailing in a fun boat) is just
the kind of thing that we should be doing.  Our local small boat association has
two days per year that they organize to get people out and sailing in small 
boats.  they put ads in the local sailing rag.  they put up flyers at local 
yacht clubs and chandleries.  we (fleet 12) use the day to do a push with all of
our 'prospects' and all of our boats that are for sale.  over the past three 
years, we've gotten 4 to 5 people directly from those days -- well worth the 
effort.

The World Snipe Day offers another opportunity to do something fun in terms of 
Snipe sailing -- the key element is how to reach those people who are not 
currently involved in Snipe sailing.  Which bring me back to the initial point 
of this post -- use the ICYRA list if we can get it to promote our 'come out and
sail day' for collegiate sailors.  Since this years ICYA event is taken -- maybe
next year, or maybe we can come up with another day that we can do this all 
around teh country.



From jdorrian@astro.ocis.temple.edu  Sat Mar 11 11:04:21 1995
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I would like to access your list of used boats. (I picked up information 
about the International Snipe Class and your electronic list at the 
Atlantic City Boat Show.) Thanks very much for the information.

-------------------------------------
Jean M. Dorrian
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From 73244.752@compuserve.com  Sat Mar 11 11:43:17 1995
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From: Ben Hammond <73244.752@compuserve.com>
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Steve:

Please send me snipe mail in digest form, as Compuserve charges me for every
message I receive individually.

Thanks for your note.  I will be in touch via phone.

Ben Hammond


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Subject: Re: Snipe recruiting...

Hear, Hear, Steve!

You have really hit the nail on the head.  I think its important that we do
everything we can from the SCIRA level, but it doesn't mean squat if it is
not followed up at the local level.  Also, different fleets have different
personalities, so its important to do events that will work for that unique
fleet.  Many fleets, like you guys in Boston, the Nebraska fleet, the
Southern Californians, the New Jersey guys have really taken this to heart
... and it has worked.  Unfortunately, not enough fleets take this pro-active
approach.  Many Snipers over the years have become complacent either resting
on their laurels or just getting sidetracked by shifting life priorities.  At
the macro level, this complacency has had a detrimental effect on our
numbers, which had hurt SCIRA's finances, which in turn makes less money
available to do any promoting.  The proverbial vicious cycle!  If we can
stimulate ALL our fleets to initiate the grass-roots activity you all have, I
feel confident that we can grow our numbers and stave off the challenges we
have from the other "manufacturers classes."  

Keep up the good work and spread the "gospel" to members from other fleets
that you run into!!

Lisa Foulke Pline

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From: Vince Casalaina <72254.1777@compuserve.com>
To: Mailing List <snipe@ai.mit.edu>
Subject: 10 reasons to sail a snipe
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we used these 10 reasons on a poster at "sail a boat day" this month.  hope you 
like them -- 

Ten Reasons to Sail a Snipe


1 Classic lines and simple rig

2 Original S. F. Bay small boat

3 50% of the crews are women

4 25% of the crews are kids

5 Skippers don't yell

6 Used boats from $1,200

7 10 year old boats still win

8 No depreciation

9 Best regattas and slumber parties

10 Fleet travels to S. Cal and Florida
 

