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*  34 Messages 
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*  From: <skeckler@ai.mit.edu>: PanAm games
*  From: <skeckler@ai.mit.edu>: Archival info
*  From: <Heinzle@aol.com>: re: snipe recruiting
*  From: <Plines@aol.com>: Re: snipe recruiting
*  From: <CSJones@ix.netcom.com>: Re: For Nationals
*  From: <bedford@kegs.saic.com>: Re: For Nationals
*  From: <skeckler@ai.mit.edu>: For Nationals
*  From: <spicknal@umich.edu>: Snipes for sale
*  From: <tmanning@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu>: Re: Snipes for sale
*  From: <revco@revco.med.yale.edu>: Want to hitch a ride/FL
*  From: <lang@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>: masts
*  From: <CMJH@chevron.com>: FW: masts
*  From: <spicknal@umich.edu>: re: masts
*  From: <WASKOW@ariel.princeton.edu>: Re: masts
*  From: <palmer@ansoft.com>: Snipe plans?
*  From: <skeckler@ai.mit.edu>: Snipe plans?
*  From: <CSJones@ix.netcom.com>: Tunning Guide
*  From: <daniel_t@gate.net>: Hello everybody
*  From: <skeckler@ai.mit.edu>: [skeckler@ai.mit.edu: ]
*  From: <revco@revco.med.yale.edu>: tuning video
*  From: <CROWDER_TIMM@src.org>: RE: Snipe plans?
*  From: <WASKOW@ariel.princeton.edu>: Wooden Snipes
*  From: <skeckler@ai.mit.edu>: [TeamBiehl@aol.com: Re: Snipe plans?]
*  From: <TeamBiehl@aol.com>: Re: Snipe plans?
*  From: <WASKOW@ariel.princeton.edu>: wooden boats
*  From: <ms@ssf.pt>: Snipe Construction Plans
*  From: <coffman@musc.edu>: Wooden Snipes
*  From: <CMJH@chevron.com>: JIBE TECH CONTACT
*  From: <WASKOW@ariel.princeton.edu>: Jibe Tech Phone #
*  From: <Jno.J.Disch@um.cc.umich.edu>: Daniel T. and a new boat
*  From: <CSJones@ix.netcom.com>: Daniel T and FJs and 420s and Snipes
*  From: <krahe@penta.ufrgs.br>: Re: boom vang
*  From: <Heinzle@aol.com>: re:boom vang
*  From: <skeckler@ai.mit.edu>: [skeckler@ai.mit.edu: ]
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From skeckler@ai.mit.edu  Mon Mar 13 15:19:50 1995
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Subject: PanAm games


Snipers,

For those of you who have web access, check out Doug Kern's (Soling
silver medalist and web hacker...) sailing page
(http://www.utexas.edu/~dkern/sail.html).  There's a link to it on the
Snipe home page.  As Alex Pline pointed out on rec.boats.racing, Doug
will be posting PanAm games results, including those for the Snipe
class.  Best of luck to all the competitors, including the US
representatives Doug Hart and Steve Stewart from San Diego.

We will try to post those updates here as well.

Steve.

Steve Keckler                    Concurrent VLSI Architecture Group
545 Technology Square		 MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Room 619A			 Tel:     (617) 253-8473
Cambridge, MA 02139 USA		 Fax:	  (617) 253-5060
				 E-mail:  skeckler@ai.mit.edu


From skeckler@ai.mit.edu  Mon Mar 13 15:23:54 1995
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I've been prowling around, and since it is easy to post, here are the
results from previous PanAm games for the Snipe class (as found on
http://www.utexas.edu/~dkern/sail.html).

Steve.

Steve Keckler                    Concurrent VLSI Architecture Group
545 Technology Square		 MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory
Room 619A			 Tel:     (617) 253-8473
Cambridge, MA 02139 USA		 Fax:	  (617) 253-5060
				 E-mail:  skeckler@ai.mit.edu

Snipe Class
1951 Buenos Aires
1. Argentina 2412 n.a.
2. Brazil 606 n.a.
only entries

1955 Mexico City, Not Held

1959 Chicago
1. Brazil 6330 Antonio Moraes
2. Cuba 3996 Gonzalo Dias
3. United States 3184 Richard Tillman
4. Argentina 3144 Fernando Sanjurjo
5. Bermuda 2996 George Brown
6. Bahamas 2523 Basil Kelly

1963 Sao Paulo
1. Brazil 4800 Reinaldo Conrad
2. United States 2767 Robert Huggins
3. Argentina 2642 Pedro Dates
4. Uruguay 1091 Horacio Pastori
5. Trinidad & Tobago 800 Michael Maingot

1967 Winnipeg
1. Brazil 11.7 C. Delorenzi
2. United States 28.4 Harry Levinson
3. Bermuda 32.0 R. Belvin
4. Puerto Rico 42.5 J. Hoyt
5. Argentina 65.4 F. Sanjuro
6. Bahamas 70.0 D. Kelly

1971 Cali
1. Brazil 3.0 Pedro Rheinhard
2. United States 15.0 Agustin Diaz
3. Argentina 32.8 Alberto Obarrio
4. Uruguay 47.7 n.a.
5. Canada 57.7 n.a.
6. Virgin Islands 69.7 n.a.

1975 Mexico City
1. United States 0.0 Jeff Lenhart
2. Brazil 17.7 Gregorio Pontes
3. Uruguay 38.1 Pedro Garra
4. Bahamas 42.1 Pierro Silgenthaler
5. Cuba 52.6 Juan Jimenez
6. Argentina 66.8 Julio Labandeira

1979 San Juan
1. United States I 0.00 Mark Reynolds
2. United States II 20.70 Jeff Lenhart
3. Brazil I 33.80 Boris Ostergren
4. Brazil II 35.40 Michael Weinschenk
5. Argentina I 60.70 Julio Lavandeira
6. Argentina II 70.40 Pedro Sisti

1983 Caracas
1. United States 8.7 Jeff Lenhart
2. Argentina 22.7 Julio Labadeira
3. Uruguay 29.4 Fernando Thode

1987 Indianapolis
1. United States 0.0 David Chapin, Robert Lindley
2. Argentina 32.7 Santiago Lange, Miguel Saubidet
3. Brazil 46.7 Ivan Pimentes, Marcos Vianna
4. Canada 49.1 Douglas Nugent, Howard Sutton
5. Uruguay 51.0 Horacio Carabelli, Luis Chipparro
6. Bermuda 60.1 Stephen Dickinson, Damian Payne

1991 Havana
1. Cuba 3.00 Nelido Manzo, Octavio Lorenzo
2. Brazil 17.40 Luis Mais, Antonio Feltrim
3. United States 31.10 Peter Commette, Tarasa Davis
4. Chile 45.00 Juan Wiegand, Luis Echenique
5. Canada 60.80 Ian Brown, Don Beham
6. Uruguay 64.70 Gabriel Faggi, Nicolas Gonzalez


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Subject: re: snipe recruiting

An update to our recruiting effort in Lincoln, NE...

Our fleet is FULL. We have thirty members for the first time in quite awhile
(i'm told). I've discovered all the coasties moving to the midwest really
miss sailing and we're only too happy to oblige. True, we don't have much
competition with any other fleets to recruit sailors. Catamarans, a
portsmouth mixed fleet and a few lasers are it. We have the corner on the
sailing market. Even so, no one even knew we existed. The sailors at the boat
show were happy to find a sailing organization at all.

Recruiting on the coasts must be much different. The competition for sailors
among the fleets must be a difficult at best. However for the fleets a little
off the beaten path, as sailing goes, a little exposure goes a long way.
Remember, our boat show cost the fleet about $150 and some volunteers. We
have a potential crew list and perhaps a waiting list for membership.

We must now work to keep the new members. Not hit them over the head with too
much technical stuff, just coax them out on the lake and nurse them along.
Some new sailors can get scared off by too much competition and not enough
help. Old sailors don't die, they get bigger boats. Our job is keep them in
the little ones.

Joe Heinzle


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Thanks for the news from Lake Wobegon!  Maybe some others out there would
like to take your lead and share some promotion ideas that have worked at the
fleet level....Or maybe somebody out there has some good ideas for World
Snipe Day...

Lisa Foulke Pline



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Hello all,
	What is the boat supply looking like for this summer in the Bay 
Area.  I am interested in buying a used Snipe for the Nationals. If 
there are none to be bought is there going to be charters?

Christian Jones        csjones@ix.netcom.com 
	


From bedford@kegs.saic.com  Tue Mar 14 12:37:01 1995
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I know that here in San Diego there are a few boats that are available.  I can't
say what will be around during the time of the Nationals but if you (or anyone
else) is interested, please post your "ideal" boat and we can see if we can
make a match.

don bedford	Mission Bay	kegs.saic.com

> From CSJones@ix.netcom.com Mon Mar 13 22:04:02 1995
> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 22:01:28 -0800
> From: CSJones@ix.netcom.com (Christian Jones)
> Subject: Re: For Nationals
> To: snipe@ai.mit.edu
> 
> Hello all,
> 	What is the boat supply looking like for this summer in the Bay 
> Area.  I am interested in buying a used Snipe for the Nationals. If 
> there are none to be bought is there going to be charters?
> 
> Christian Jones        csjones@ix.netcom.com 
> 	
> 
> 

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Subject: For Nationals


> Hello all,
> 	What is the boat supply looking like for this summer in the Bay 
> Area.  I am interested in buying a used Snipe for the Nationals. If 
> there are none to be bought is there going to be charters?
> 
> Christian Jones        csjones@ix.netcom.com 

This is a good opportunity to post the March used boat list, which
Alex just made available on the Snipe WWW server.

Steve.

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<TITLE>Used Snipe List - 3/95</TITLE>

<H1>Used Snipe List</H1>

<P> This list is copied directly from the <I>Snipe Bulletin</I>. Read
the Article <A HREF="buyused.html">"Buying a Used
Snipe" by Mike McLaughlin</A> if you need more basic information on
used Snipes. This list will be updated on a monthly basis. Previous
months of this list will not be corrected if boats are sold, as I do
not have knowledge of their sale. Do not assume that a boat has been
sold if it doesn't appear in subsequent listings! If you are
interested in a boat from past listings, give the number a call, an
check it out.

<P>

<B>Marhc 1995</B>

<P>
<PRE>
New York area fleet reforming on Great South Bay
at inexpensive Yacht Club complete with dry storage, two
hoists, docks,deep water and active racing program. Cal
Burt Eaton (516)594-9342.

McLAUGHLlN 25168 - White deck & intenor, navy
hull, superb condition, newly rerigged; Cobra II, new
sheets, cover, trailer, virtually never sailed. $3,500. Boat
located in Annapolis. Call John Brigden (213)892-1865,
Los Angdes.

MCLAUGHLIN 26078 - District winner 5 times, two
masts,top & bottom covers, compass, three suits of sails,
trailer, faired hull with sharp chines. Greg (214)722-1184.

FDR SALE: Sails, rudders, centerboards, whiskerpoles.
$350.00. Fiberglass self-rescue hull only. Write for details
to: Gonzalo Diaz, Sr., 5520 72nd Ave., Miami, Fl. 
33155-5517.

MCLAUGHLIN 27269 - Excellent condition, white
hull and deck. Cobra II mast, all go fasts. Fisher sails
(little use), covers. Trailer. Asking $4,200. Delivery
negotiable. 708-851-5145. Illinois.

JIBE TECH 27591 - White hull Cobra mast, pole
launcher, Fihsher Sails, used very little. Cover, Shoremaster
boat storage hoist. S4,900. Charles Stone. PO Box 366,
North Salem, NH 3073-0366.

MCLAUGHLIN 25058 - Blue/white deck, teak rails,
minimum weight, professionany faired hull, new Norths,
galvanized trailer, full cover, ready to race. Quick sale
S2,500. Jason w-817429-8188, h-214-828-4317. Texas.

MCLAUGHLIN 26077 -minimum weight, new Proctor
mast, Cobra II mast, Lindsey rudder, double deck southern
trailer, top and bottom covers, two year Ullmans, three
year Sobstads, four year Fishers, and new Ullman jib
$3,200. Bill Jackson, Dallas, Texas. w-214-827-756
h-214-821-5346. 

MCLAUGHLIN 25167 -White hull and deck, Cobra
mast & boom, pole launcher, Jibe Tech rudder, top,
bottom and blade covers, trailer with new axel, well rigged
and updated, many sails including '93 North AP2 main
and split jib, $2800, delivery possible. (207)846-1147,
Tom.

WANTED: Two boats, with trailers, for newmembers in
fleet. Maximum, $1,500 each. Also, used soft mast. Jack
Wagener, 402-488-7224. Lincoln, NE.

MCLAUGHLIN 26161- Blue deck/white hull
stripe, Reynolds jib cleating system, Cobra mast, dual
skipper hiking straps, Sailor's Tailor bottom & skirted
covers, 5 suits Ullman & Sobstad sails, 2 Ritchie
compasses, galvanized trailer & misc. parts. Located Bay
Area. Best offer. Call (510)836-3323 (evenings)

McLaughlin 26805 - $3800 - Trailer, covers, New Sobstad sails, This
boat hasn't been used much in the past two years.  Palmer Henson (w)
404-814-3100 (h) 404-814-0190

MCLAUGHLIN 25482 -- White hull and deck, very good condition, Cobra
II, pole launcher, recent (1993) Jibetek rudder, top cover and Sobstads,
double decker Tennessee trailer, bottom & rudder covers.  $3200 obo.
Contact: Mary Gastil (805) 962-1554, Santa Barbara;
or  Reinhard Noack (49) 931-888-5141 FAX  (49) 931-702468 home (Germany).

MCLAUGHLIN 25951: Only SE regattas
this boat hasn't won are those it's never
entered. Rarely raced but won when it was.
C6bra II, Proctor boom, Reynolds rudder,
new main/jib & others, superbly laired hull
(P minimum wI lead (white/white), trailer,
all covers. $4100. Mike Funsch (813)539-
3808 (w) Florida. 

VARALAY - 16314: Beautiful mahogany
deck (just refinished), white hull (tap condi-
tion), Proctor mast, sails, trailer, ready to go,
evenaboathouse,$900. Rick Best, Mickey's
backyard, FL 407-348-7706 

PHOENIX - 27365: PSI built 1988. White
hull, light grey deck. Two Proctor Cobra
masts. pole launcher, Sobstad & Ullman
sails, galvanized highway trailer, full cov-
ers. Excellent race ready boat, $3400.
George Twist, So. Calif. (714)675-3989.

MCLAUGHLIN 27372 - Fast, race
equipped (minimum weight, Cobra, Norths,
Fishers) attractive (pale blue, white deck,
teak, covers), sailed only 5-6 regattas/year
`90-'94 (70% tops), stored indoors, $4,200.
Extra sails - cheap! Ian Brown, Toronto
(416)203-3500. 

MCLAUGHLIN 25800 - with bulkhead,
Cobra II mast, Sailors Tailor covers. Dilly
trailer. Great condition,exeellentrace record,
minimum weight. $4,000. Call Mark
Golison, w-3l0-438-9489 or h-310-597-
5344. Long Beach

MCLAUGHLIN 24116 - Excellent condi-
tion, race ready. Includes pole launcher,
Cobra II mast, boat, daggerboard, rudder
covers, sturdy trailer with new wiring, lights.
Best deal in So. Cal! $2,500/obo. 619-273-
9279. 

ECLIPSE 28388 - White hull/It. blue deck/
Sidewinder mas(boom/pole launcher and
all go-fasts (Stamasters, adi. spreaders, cus-
tom galvanized centerboard, custam rudder,
etc.) All covers and galvanized traller. Brand
new North PP Main and split jib and never-
used North AP2 Main with 2 wavejibs. Also
includes North practice set. This boat looks
brand new, has all new lines/rigging. Will
deliver in Southeast/Mid-Atlantic. Asking
$5,500. Call ScottE. at 800-325-9523 (days)
or (704)375-2323 (eve) 

CHICAGO AREA SNIPERS - We're try-
ing to rejuvinate a Chicago Snipe fleet.
Anyone out there who's interested, please
contact Barb Evans 708-501-3761, or Fred
Hagedorn/Sarah Alger 312-944-5450

MUELLER 25522 - Ice blue with white
rolled deck. 2 suits of sails, 2 rudders, all
covers, trailer, Cobra II with adjustable
spreaders. AM/FM 8-track, minimum
weight. In Annapolis. $3400. 410-757-
3173. 

PHOENIX 25845 - Light gray with light
blue waterline. Excellent condition, always
covered. Not sailed in five years. New
Fisher Sails. Traller & spare. Complete and
race ready boat priced to sell at $2,000.
Phone (214) 890-4435. 


</PRE>

<hr>

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From spicknal@umich.edu  Tue Mar 14 13:17:03 1995
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If anyone on the Snipe e-mail list knows of competitive boats for sale that
are not currently advertised in the Bulletin, I would appreciate them being
posted here or directly to me.  We have some people looking (including me).
 Thanks.

Mark Spicknall
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From tmanning@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu  Tue Mar 14 13:39:44 1995
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At a recent regatta a few members of the Atlanta YC said that some used 
boats were for sale at their club - I'm not sure if they can be accessed 
through e-mail.  They have a snipe regatta coming up in April so a 
sail/race and buy weekend might be possible????????

Tom Manning

P.S. There is a race/regatta being held on the St. John's River (FL, 
between Palatka and Jacksonville) in May called the Mug Race - its a 38.5 
mile open race (lots of large monohulls and multihulls) - has anyone ever 
raced a snipe in this race??  Any advice??  It runs with a 2 mph river 
current.   


Thomas J. Manning
Assistant Professor of Chemistry
Department of Chemistry
Valdosta State University
1500 N. Patterson Street
Valdosta, GA  31698-0020
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From revco@revco.med.yale.edu  Tue Mar 14 14:16:33 1995
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From: Jim Revkin <revco@revco.med.yale.edu>
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I'm planning on getting a snipe, but have as yet to sail in one.
I will be in Stuart, FL next week (Mon-Sat) and would be interested in
crewing for someone who might want to knock around in their boat for a
bit.  I'm willing to drive to wherever you might be.  Respond by e-mail to
revco@revco.med.yale.edu


Thanks

Jim Revkin



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Well, I have had a snipe for 6 months (I've sailed other one design for 
20 years: windmill, y-flyer, hobbie).  I went out on the first day of the 
midwinters with measured 22 knots at the dock.  200 yards from the shore 
on a broad reach, a gust (30?) broke my mast two feet over the boom.  
This was a proctor....several "experts" have offered the following in no 
particular order:

1. the spreaders did not have a stop and went forward
2. the mast had a weak spot
3. the boom hit the stays and inverted the mast (the mail had a knot to 
prevent this.
4. the mast ram wasn't on (It was)
5. the boom vang was too tight
6. the boom vang was too loose
7. sometimes that happens on snipes
8. something was wrong with the jib halyard (???)
9. you should put a sleave in the mast like in Denmark
10. those proctors are too bendy
11. the ?*&^% committee shouldn't have sailed in that much wind

At any rate, in 30 years of sailing and 20 of racing, its the first time 
I've broken a rig...

Is there anyone who really knows what to do to prevent this?

Our weight was 290.
Thank,

Steve Lang

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From: Callahan, J.M. (John)    -CMJH
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If you've been racing 20 yrs and this is your first broken rig, you are
either unbelievably lucky or not sailing hard enough. The mark of a true
hard core sailor is a backyard filled with all sorts of aluminum sections of
varying lengths. Star boat sailors use them for tent stakes (3 for $1).

No clue as to why it broke. Need to see these things to tell. However, a
Snipe is a heavy boat and when big puffs come, rather than accelerate
immediately, they load up and then slowly accelerate. Could be it was just
too much for the old rig to take.

By the way, call the One Australia syndicate in San Diego. I hear they might
have a spare rig. You'll need scuba equipment to get it, but I'm sure it'll
be a good deal.

JC
23598

P.S. ISCYRA rules state that Snipe races are not to be started in over 22
kts in open waters and 25kts in sheltered waters. This is roughly were the
fun meter hits rock bottom anyhow. Cheers.
***********************************************
>Subject: masts

>Well, I have had a snipe for 6 months (I've sailed other one design for
>20 years: windmill, y-flyer, hobbie).  I went out on the first day of the
>midwinters with measured 22 knots at the dock.  200 yards from the shore
>on a broad reach, a gust (30?) broke my mast two feet over the boom.
>This was a proctor....several "experts" have offered the following in no
>particular order:

>1. the spreaders did not have a stop and went forward
>2. the mast had a weak spot
>3. the boom hit the stays and inverted the mast (the mail had a knot to
>prevent this.
>4. the mast ram wasn't on (It was)
>5. the boom vang was too tight
>6. the boom vang was too loose
>7. sometimes that happens on snipes
>8. something was wrong with the jib halyard (???)
>9. you should put a sleave in the mast like in Denmark
>10. those proctors are too bendy
>11. the ?*&^% committee shouldn't have sailed in that much wind

>At any rate, in 30 years of sailing and 20 of racing, its the first time
>I've broken a rig...

>Is there anyone who really knows what to do to prevent this?

>Our weight was 290.
>Thank,

>Steve Lang



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Subject: re: masts

If the mast was rammed hard forward, spreaders were prevented from swinging
forward, and the boom was kept off the shroud, the mast should have easily
survived a 30+ kt gust, especially with your lighter than average crew
weight.  There is some small probability that a Snipe mast will bend beyond
the elastic region under such load, requiring some staightening.  But the
fact that your mast actually BROKE(!) would lead me to believe that it had
a flaw from manufacturing or previous damage.  It's hard to say without
looking at it.  Hope you get a new stick and better sailing weather down
there.  

Mark Spicknall
University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute
Marine Systems Division
Phone +313.764.2298; FAX +313.936.1081; E-mail spicknal@umich.edu



From WASKOW@ariel.princeton.edu  Wed Mar 15 16:21:53 1995
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The modern  Snipe rig is a very bendy section.  This allows us to power up or 
depower the rig via our rig tuning and controlls.  One problem is our 
rig is so adjustable it is not properly supported in heavy air  if 
you do not actively use the controlls correctly.

This is a different philosophy than many other designs.  On other boats I 
have sailed you had to do something wrong to damage something.  In a 
Snipe, if you don't do the right thing you can permenently bend the 
mast by inverting it. 

I have inverted two masts but in both cases I was able to bend the 
mast straight and fix the problem once we were ashore. In many cases 
you can fix an inverted mast by bending it straight, but you can also 
bend the mast so severely as to ruin it.

As with any three shrould rig, the stays and spreaders on a Snipe rig 
combine to support the mast both sideways and aft.  This concept 
works well when the mast has prebend and is forced to stay in front of the
 shrouds.  

It does not work when the mast moves in line with the shrouds:  then 
the shrouds only supply side support and loose all their aft support: 
In the extreme case, the mast has side support, forward support, but 
no aft support and any aft force can invert the spar.

This can happen if: 
1) the spreaders are not fixed and swing forward of perpendicular.
2) the fore pusher is not cleated and the mast is pushed aft at the 
    deck level. (often by the pole)
3) the boom is let out so far it hits the shroud and using the 
    shrould as a fulcrum, it pulls the gooseneck aft.

Because the Snipe does not have a backstay nor restricts the mast at 
the deck level,  in essence there is no permanent aft stop on the mast.  
The crew controlls how far the mast can bend aft with three 
variables:  shrould postion, spreader movement, and forpuller/aftpuller.

The trend in Snipe design has been to move the shroulds as far as 
foreward as class legal and there is no restriction on swinging 
spreaders.  A boat with shroulds max forward and no spreader pins can 
let the boom out further and is faster in light air on a run.  It 
also makes it easier to invert  the mast and requires the crew to 
properly adjust the forepusher as the wind increases.  Here, the 
forepusher is key to keeping the rig in the boat in a blow.  You have 
a more powerful main the further aft the mast is positioned, but if 
you let it come back too far you can drop it over the bow.

Pinned spreaders and shrouds further aft are slower in light air 
because the boom can not go out as for nor can the mast come back as 
straight.  But in heavy air this combination is safer, and your 
spreaders must be pinned in any case  to keep them at least aft 
of perpendicular.

Your boat set up determines how risky you sail:  on most boats the 
forpusher is as important as any shroud because if it is not cleated 
the mast can come aft well beyond straight.

I have added a string to my mast ram to act as a perminent  stop.  If 
the forepusher  comes uncleated this string restricts the maximun 
mast aft position.  In light air I let it come back farther, and in heavy air 
I restrict it to the neutral mark.  I risk being slightly slower on 
one point of sail if the wind dies, but I save the mast if the jam 
cleat slips or I forget to cleat the forepusher.  If conditions change 
completely, it is also easy to untie.

If you are new to Snipe sailing, it is very important your forepusher 
cleats well and is reliable.  I personally have also added a maximum 
stop as well.





 
Darryl S. Waskow

Princeton University
Program in Theater & Dance

Phone: 609-258-3733
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I've been intrigued by the Snipe since an article in _Sailing_World_
some years back (it may still have been YR&C at that point) mentioned
the Snipe's origins as a simple homebrew project that anyone could
afford.  Almost intrigued enough to try it, once our garage gets put in.
Does anyone know where plans may be obtained?  Or of anyone in
their local fleet who has done this?
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Palmer T. Davis <palmer@ansoft.com> writes:
> I've been intrigued by the Snipe since an article in _Sailing_World_
> some years back (it may still have been YR&C at that point) mentioned
> the Snipe's origins as a simple homebrew project that anyone could
> afford.  Almost intrigued enough to try it, once our garage gets put in.
> Does anyone know where plans may be obtained?  Or of anyone in
> their local fleet who has done this?

I believe SCIRA sells copies of the plans for $20(?) or so.  I've seen
adds from them in the Snipe bulletin.  I have not seen the plans, nor
do I know how detailed they are.  You can contact SCIRA directly for 
more info at 76015.1441@compuserve.com.

Has anyone seen these plans?

I have seen a couple of home-built boats.  One was built by a couple
of guys from Long Island and they sailed it at the District 1
Championships at Larchmont last year.  They had teeth painted on the
bow kind of like those on some fuselages of WWII airplanes.  Not a
beautiful boat, but functional

There was another one at NAs sailed by a couple of guys from (I think)
Bermuda.  I'm sure some of the longer time Snipers know more about
these particular boats.

Steve.

Steve Keckler                    Concurrent VLSI Architecture Group
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I was wondering if there has been a recent tunning guide published and 
if so where can I get one.

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Subject: Hello everybody

Hi all, just got on the mailing list and wanted to know about an FAQ. I
didn't get one when I signed on. (I did get some general info, is there an
FAQ?)

I currently don't have a boat but I'm looking to buy this summer. I used to
crew on a 32 footer, small boats are a new thing to me.

I'm happy to hear that the Snipe class is active here in Clearwater FL. I
was beginning to think I would have to settle for a Sunfish. Not that there
is anything wrong with Sunfish, I just wanted something with a full hull,
not a board boat.

I am also interested in the International 420 (which is probably to
advanced for me) and the Flying Junior (Are they active in Florida?)

How do these boats compare? I'm looking for something good for a beginner
but that I don't have to worry about outgrowing to soon.

---------------------+-----------------------------------------------
Daniel T.            | Ld. Nicolas Bradwater
Clearwater, FL       | Kingdom Minister of Children, Deputy Successor
daniel_t@gate.net    | Trimaris



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Here is the first installment of sailing results from Doug Kern's web
page (http://www.utexas.edu/~dkern/panam.html)

There are some typos, but overall interesting.

Steve.

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1995 Pan American Games
Sailing Competition
March 14, 1995
Mar del Plata, Argentina
Media Contact:  Barby MacGowan, 89 9165 (phone)
DAY ONE


J/24s STEAL THE SHOW AT SAILING COMPETITION

USA's Foerster/Johnston/Bartlett/Lawson Turn in Perfect
Score

MAR DEL PLATA, ARGENTINA (March 14, 1995)--At today's
opening of the Pan American Games sailing competition, 12
teams in the J/24 class (Open Four-handed Keelboat) gave
spectators quite a show as they completed four round-robin
sets of match races within viewing distance of the shore at
Mar del Plata's Club Nautico.  In particular, the USA's
Austin, Texas team of Paul Foerster, Rob Johnston, John
Bartlett, and Troy Lawson dazzled fans--and a dozen sunning
sea lions, another visual treat--with their excellent
boathandling skills in brisk winds of 18-20 knots.  The
team's perfect 4-0 win-loss record was shared at the end of
the day only by Argentina, which did not race against the
USA today.

In each of the four match racing sets, the USA team was
pitted one-on-one against a new international adversary.
The races began with the traditional "hunt" before the start
for the controlling position, and then proceeded to the 25-
30 minute "chase" around a windward-leeward course (twice
around).

At the start of its first match, the USA team commanded a 3-
boatlength lead over Mexico and stretched it to a 12-
boatlength lead by the finish. Rarely was USA behind one of
its opponents, and when it was, the crew's level-headed
thinking paid off.

"The principles of match racing are that you stick with your
opponent and always cover him," said crewman Johnston, "but
we will sail away if we think that's the right thing to do."
Evidentally, the team followed this philosophy to win its
hotly contested Trials, and it is working for them here.
During its second match, the USA was declared, by on-water
referees, to have fouled Chile.  To absolve itself, the team
made its penalty turn and fell well behind its competitor.
The USA tacked off and sailed to the right-hand side of the
course.  When USA and Chile converged again before the top
mark of the course, USA was ahead by one boatlength and
ended up winning the race by a solid three boatlengths.

"Our third match against Canada was the one we were most
worried about," said crewman Lawson.  "But Canada fouled us,
then had to drop their jib once . . . they just had a bad
day."  USA beat Canada, then went on to pick off Venezuala
in its fourth and final match.

OTHER ACTION

Also competing today were six other classes--Europe (Women's
Singlehanded Dinghy), 470 (Men's and Women's Doublehanded
Dinghy), Laser (Men's and Women's Singlehanded Dinghy),
Lightning (Open Triplehanded Dinghy), Mistral (Men's and
Women's Windsurfing Board), and Snipe (Open Doublehanded
Dinghy).  While the J/24 class sailed in the somewhat
protected waters inside a breakwater, the other classes
sailed outside in what some called "survival conditions"--
winds of 20-22 knots and waves of 6-8 feet. Each class
sailed two races except the Mistral Men's and Women's, which
fit in three races.

--Europe sailor Kim Logan (Miami, Fla.) posted finishes of
2-1 for a first-place tie with Brazil and is feeling strong,
both figuratively and literally.  "This feels good, because
I've been training really hard to prepare for this regatta."

--In overall scoring after today, Mistral windsurfer Lanee
Butler (Aliso Viejo, Calif.), a 1992 Olympian who won the
Pan Am Gold in windsurfing in 1991, finds herself in third
behind the two countries she pegged early on as her fiercest
rivals--Canada and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

--Mistral Men's competitor Mike Gebhardt (Ft. Pierce, Fla.)
fared well today with a second overall to Argentina, which
won all of the three races.  "Argentina has been here
training for weeks.  They've got this place dialed," said
Gebhardt, who won a Pan Am Gold in windsurfing in 1987.

--Doug Hart/Steve Stewart (both San Diego, Calif.) were
disqualified from race two in Snipe division and are in
sixth place.  Hart is a Silver medalist from 1983 in the
windsurfing class.

--Jennifer Coolidge (Marblehead, Mass.) leads in Laser
Women's.  She won her first race decisively (3 1/2 minutes)
and fouled Brazil in race two to fall back from leading the
fleet to third.  Coolidge, who normally campaigns a Europe
for the Olympics, is learning new things about the Laser.
"It doesn't bear off as quickly as I'm used to," she said,
admitting that she collided with Brazil.

--Mike Sturman/Bob Little (Newport Beach/Santa Monica,
Calif.) are in fourth overall in Mistral Men's.

--Jody Swanson/Debbie Hopkins (Rochester, N.Y./Ft. Wayne,
Ind.) were second in their first race.  They were winning
race two when their tiller, which is used for steering,
broke.  Currently, their overall finish is third.

--Jim Crane/Brenda Crane/Bill Crane (Darien, Conn.) "did not
have a good day" in Snipes.  They capsized in one race and
could not finish better than sixth in both.

--Tom Lihan (Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.) finished fourth overall
in Laser Men's.

(Top-Three Results and U.S. Finishes Attached)

Place, Name, Home, Finish Positions, Total Points

EUROPE (six boats)
1.(t) Kim Logan (Miami, Fla.), 2-1; 2.75.
1.(t) Marcia Pellicano (BRA), 1-2; 2.75.
3. Susan Emerson (CAN), 5-3; 8.00.

470 MEN's (5 boats)
1. Martin Billoch/Juan Zizzi (ARG), 1-2; 2.75.
2. Angel Jimenez/Pedro Fernandez (CUB), 3-1; 3.75
3. Thilo Giese/Scott Davis (CAN), 2-4; 6.
4. Mike Sturman/Bob Little (Newport Beach/Santa Monica,
Calif.), 4-3; 7.

470 WOMEN's (4 boats)
1. Penny Davis/Leigh Pearson (CAN), 1-1; 1.5.
2. Maria Sesto/Consuelo Monsegur (ARG), 3-2; 5.
3. Jody Swanson/Debbie Hopkins (Rochester, N.Y./Ft. Wayne,
Ind.), 2-5; 7.

J/24 Match Racing (12 boats)
1.(t) Paul Foerster/Rob Johnston/John Bartlett/Troy Lawson
(Austin, Texas), 4-0.
1.(t) Gonzalo Campero/Francisco Campero, Santiago Morixe,
Ezequiel Mendoca (ARG), 4-0.
3.(t) Christian Barahona/Rodrigo Guzman/Francisco
Perez/Rodrigo Zuazola (CHI), 3-0.
3. (t) Peter Bromby/Dennis Correia/Lee White (BER), 3-0.

LASER MEN'S (15 boats)
1. Rober Scheidt (BRA), 1-1; 1.5.
2. Santiago Lange (ARG), 2-3; 5.
3. Jason Rhodes (CAN), 4-2; 6.
4. Tom Lihan (USA), 5-4; 9.

LASER WOMEN'S (7 boats)
1. Jennifer Coolidge (USA), 1-3; 3.75.
2. Maria Marcone (ARG), 4-1; 4.75.
3. Maria Krahe (BRA), 3-2; 5.

LIGHTNING (6 boats)
1. Diego Rudoy/Alejandro Noe, Alejandro Colla (ARG), 2-1;
2.75
2. German Schacht/Christian Herman/Albertos Gonzalez (CHI),
1-3; 3.75
3. Claudio Biekark/Gunnar Ficker/Marcelo Silva (BRA), 3-2;
5.
6. Jim Crane/Bill Crane/Brenda Crane (Darien, Conn.), 6-6;
12.

MISTRAL MEN'S (12 boats)
1. Carlos Espinola (ARG), 1-1-1; 2.25.
2. Mike Gebhardt (Ft. Pierce, Fla.), 2-2-3; 7.
3. Murray McCaig (CAN), 3-4-2; 9.

MISTRAL WOMEN'S (7 boats)
1. Caroll-Anne Alie (CAN), 2-1-1; 3.5.
2. Lisa Neuburger (USVI), 1-2-2; 4.75.
3. Lanee Butler (Aliso Viejo, Calif.), 3-3-3; 9.

SNIPE (8 boats)
1. Octavio Lorenzo/Nelido Manso (CUB), 1-1; 1.5.
2. Ricardo Fabiani/Roberto Fabiani (URU), 2-2; 4.
3. Antonio Mari/Alfredo Vargas (PUR), 4-3; 7.
6. Dough Hart/Steven Stewart (San Diego, Calif.), 7-9; 16.



From revco@revco.med.yale.edu  Thu Mar 16 06:29:51 1995
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I was wondering if anyone had ever produced a snipe tuning video (or are 
there videos of any championship events).  The Star Class produced a 
tuning video with the assistance of a sailmaker and it is really quite 
complete.  I also found that it's a great tool to get my 4 year old to go 
to bed when he's out of control.  He usually falls asleep when they get 
to the downwind set up!


Jim Revkin

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        There is a beautiful home-built Snipe in central North Carolina.  
        It was built by Jack Dent with inputs from Mike McLaughlin.  Jack 
        used to run Carolina One Design out of his shed where he machined 
        Snipe parts.  I think he has decided to get out of the business 
        but I believe I saw his number in the builders section of the 
        MIT Snipe page.  I don't know why he decided to get out of the 
        business so if you call be nice and ask him if he wants to talk 
        about his boat.
        
        Timm Crowder
        Snipe 24107
        crowder@src.org



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I have seen two new wooden Snipes in the last two years.

One was home built and one was professionally built.  Both looked 
very good.  For further information contact the Wooden Boat School 
in Maine.  They have taught a course in building the wooden Snipe and 
in January the were advertising a wood hull for sail.  I would also 
contact the Snipe Class Office.

You can also call Joe Norton who teaches the class at the Wodden Boat 
School.  His number is 414-294-6813. 
 We had his wooden boat at Sail Expo in 1994.
Darryl S. Waskow

Princeton University
Program in Theater & Dance

Phone: 609-258-3733
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Hm Phone: 609-683-1198

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I think Jerelyn intended this message to go to the entire Snipe list.

Steve.

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Steve,
Believe it or not, we sold about 20 sets of plans last year in the US.  More
overseas.  Ray Gauthier of Florida just built a beautiful wooden boat with
the modern rolled deck.  It's a little heavy, but absolutely beautiful!  I
think he used heavier plywood in some sections, which made it heavy.

Also, Gary Norton in Wisconsin teachs a course for the WoodenBoat School in
"How to Build a Snipe".  He also builds boats in Wisconsin  when not
teaching.  He builds a very beautiful modern boat to specs and weight, and
competitive.

The boat sailed by Stevie Dickinson (Bermuda) at the NAs is an older Snipe,
maybe the 12000 series (magical).  They rebuilt the boat and it is very fast.

Also, the South Americans sail alot of older wooden Snipes, and they are also
fast.

That's the update.  We have a huge following of wooden boat sailors that we
need to be aware of.  (Hence the fiber board test).

Jerelyn


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I saw Ray Gauthier's wooden Snipe at the NA's in Annapolis last fall. 
This was the first time the boat was weighted, and it was overweight.

Ray said he purposely over- built the floor so it would be very stiff. 
His plan was to replace the cockpit floor, and he felt this would 
bring the boat down to minimum weight.

I only met Ray this one time, so maybe some who knows him better 
 can find out if he was able to bring the boat down to minimum weight. 
Darryl S. Waskow

Princeton University
Program in Theater & Dance

Phone: 609-258-3733
Fax:   609-258-2230
Hm Phone: 609-683-1198

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Does anybody know if the snipe plans are available, where, how they can be 
obtained, etc.

I'm really considering the hipothesys of building one myself.

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I attended Joe Norton's class at WoodenBoat two summers ago.  Highly 
recommended if you're going to build a boat or just for fun.  At that 
time, Joe was offering a set of frames to speed the building process along 
and make sure you measure correctly.  The frames were a foam - veneer 
sandwich, very high-tech and low weight.  

Mike Coffman
coffman@musc.edu


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Does anyone out there know if Jibe Tech still exists?? If so, would you have
a contact phone number. This number would need to be relatively recent as I
understand they recently moved out of Barrington and onto somewhere else.
Any info you can supply would be appreciated.

Thanks
JC
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Jibe Tech can be reached at 401-842-0444
Darryl S. Waskow

Princeton University
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From Jno.J.Disch@um.cc.umich.edu  Thu Mar 16 20:26:26 1995
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Dan,I've sailed all three quite a bit-420s, snipes, and FJs.  All the boats
are good, but it's the difference in the people who sail them and the 
class organizations that are different and really matter.  The International
FJ class has a nice bunch of people, but they are not as competitive or
knowledgeable as people in snipes and 420s.  They also suffer from some
complications because there are collegiate FJs (Vanguards) which don't 
qualify as international FJs, so you can't sail them in many regattas.
You will find some of the best sailors around in 420s and snipes as well
as others who want to compete with others who have a strong desire to 
become good racers.  I'm not sure about the 420 fleet, but the snipe fleet
is very friendly, helpful, and easy going even though some of the 
competition is so great.  These seems to be a unique hallmark of the snipe
class that I haven't seen to the same extent anywhere else.  Also, there
are more snipe regattas around so you can do more sailing.  there are
very few FJ fleets in the country.  I'm not sure, but I think 420 sailing
is not nearly as abundant as snipes.  If you have more specific questions,
I could probably answer better, so keep up the interest. The snipe is a 
great boat to begin in, and you won't grow out of it. Good luck.
Jno Disch

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Dan,
	I have sailed all three types of boats and I have concluded that 
the Snipe fleet is the best.  People in the Snipe fleet are very helpful 
ecspecailly to new comers to the fleet.  For example my Dad was 
interested in seeing what Snipe Sailing was all about, So our local 
fleet loaned one to my father for a test sail.  Well he loved it right 
up to the time he capsized and lost the center board.  The owner of the 
boat was not to terribly upset and was very understanding about the 
whole entire accident.  Also our local fleet races in what we call "Flat 
Water" regattas, where the local Snipers come for a Saturday for a race 
and a some sort of get together.  Information is passed on tunning and 
boat handeling on and off the water.  I just feel that the Snipe Fleets 
are best to sail in out of 420 FJ and Snipe.
	If you want to know more just say so.

Christian Jones             csjones@ix.netcom.com
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Once I saw a boom vang system which coul be used to lift up the boom. There was a solid metal stick (alum.) attached to the mast. At the other end, it was attached to a car that would slide in a bar, like a traveler's bar, fixed under the boom. When the car was pulled against the mast, it would lift the boom up. When pulled away from the mast, it worked like a regular vang. The system didn't seem to be that good, because it wasn't adopted by anyone else.
Fernando.
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While the track/car idea does seem a simple solution to lifting and lowering
the boom, all other considerations aside, would it allow the same control of
mast bend that a regular vang plus lifting mechanism would provide. It would
seem to me the kinetics of a track/car would be different from a block and
tackle.

May your comments flow quickly and without inhibition.

Joe Heinzle


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Second installment of the PanAm results.  Some other names to note:

Snipers Mike Sturman and Bob Little (men's 470)

Is Maria Krahe (BRA: women's Laser) any relation to 
SCIRA Vice Secretary (Western Hemesphere) Fernando Krahe?

Recent MIT alum Paula Lewing (BER: Europe)....sorry - had to get that
in there!

Steve.

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1995 Pan American Games
Sailing Competition
Thursday March 16, 1995
Mar del Plata, Argentina



"Wet And Wild" Suits California Sailors Sturman and Little

     At Thursday's Pan Am Games sailing competition, it was
breezy until a "Pampero" rolled in, packing southeasterly winds
of 25 knots.  Then it got downright nasty on the race course,
with lightning, rain, and low visibility adding a new twist to
the challenging conditions that Mar Del Plata has been serving up
over the past few days.
      For the 470 Men's (Doublehanded Dinghy) team of Mike
Sturman/Bob Little (Newport Beach/Santa Monica, Calif.), the
storm's timing was perfect for blazing to first place in the
second of two races and finishing off the day with a wild victory
ride back to the harbor at Club Nautico.
     Sturman/Little finished second in the first race, which
offered a more compatable wind range of 8-12 knots. While the USA
was tied for second overall with Cuba going into today, it now
stands only one point behind overall leader Argentina, which
finished 3-4 in racing Thursday.
     In the 470 women's division, American sailors Jody
Swanson/Debbie Hopkins (Rocheser, N.Y./Fort Wayne, Ind.) posted
two second-place finishes.  According to Swanson, she and Hopkins
were winning their first race by three boat lengths before the
mishap; by the finish, Canada had edged them out to win.  After
working more on the vang between races, the USA resumed its
battle with Canada, the only team that stands between them and
gold.
     Also competing Thursday were five other classes -- Europe
(Women's Singlehanded Dinghy), J/24 (Open Four-handed Keelboat),
Laser (Men's and Women's Singlehanded Dinghy), Lightning (Open
Triplehanded Dinghy), and Snipe (Open Doublehanded Dinghy). The
Mistral class (Men's and Women's Windsurfing Board) had a lay day
and will resume sailing Friday. Each class is scheduled to sail a
10-race series, except the J/24s, which are sailing in a special
round-robin match racing (one-on-one) format.  Racing continues
through Sat. March 18 when medals in 10 divisions will be
awarded.
Thursday's Top-Three Results/U.S. Finishes
Place, Name, Home, Finish Positions (throwout), Total Points
EUROPE (6 boats)
1. Kim Logan (Miami, Fla.), 2-1-1-1-1; 5. 2. Marcia Pellicano
(BRA), 1-2-3-2-2; 9.75. 3. Paula Lewin (BER), 3-5-2-4-4; 18.  470
MEN's (5 boats)
1. Martin Billoch/Juan Zizzi (ARG), 1-2-1-2-3-(4); 8.5. 2. Mike
Sturman/Bob Little (Newport Beach/Santa Monica, Calif.),
(4)-3-3-1-2-1; 9.5. 3. Thilo Giese/Scott Davis (CAN),
2-4-2-4-1-(DNS); 12.75.
470 WOMEN's (4 boats) 1. Penny Davis/Leigh Pearson (CAN),
1-1-(2)-2-1-1; 5. 2. Jody Swanson/Debbie Hopkins (Rochester,
N.Y./Ft. Wayne, Ind.), 2-(DNF)-1-1-2-2; 7.5. 3. Maria
Sesto/Consuelo Monsegur (ARG), (3)-2-3-3-3-3; 14.  J/24 MATCH
RACING (12 boats) (scores are win-loss records) 1. Gonzalo
Campero/Francisco Campero, Santiago Morixe, Ezequiel Mendoca
(ARG), 9-1. 2.(t) Paul Foerster/Rob Johnston/John Bartlett/Troy
Lawso n (Dallas/Dallas/Austin/Austin, Texas), 8-2. 2.(t) Bruce
MacDonald/David MacDonald/David Willetts/Chris Killen (CAN), 8-2.
2.(t) Peter Holmberg/ Morgan Avery/Maurice Krug/Chris Rosenberg
(ISV), 8-2.  
LASER MEN'S (15 boats) 1. Robert Scheidt (BRA), 1-1-1-2-1; 5. 2.
Santiago Lange (ARG), 2-3-2-1-3; 10.75. 3.(t) Tom Lihan (Ft.
Lauderdale, Fla.), 5-4-4-3-6; 22. 3.(t) Jason Rhodes (CAN),
4-2-3-9-4; 22.  
LASER WOMEN'S (7 boats) 1. Maria Marcone (ARG), 4-1-1-2-1; 8.25.
2. Maria Krahe (BRA), 3-2-2-7-2; 16. 3. Jennifer Coolidge
(Marblehead, Mass.), 1-3-6-3-4; 16.75.  LIGHTNING (6 boats) (some
scores not available) 1. Diego Rudoy/Alejandro Noe, Alejandro
Colla (ARG), 2-1-3- 3-1-n/a; n/a. 2. German Schacht/Christian
Herman/Albertos Gonzalez (CHI), 1-3-2-6-3-n/a; n/a. 3. Mark
Osterman/Peter Hall/Alain Boucher (CAN), 4-4-1-2-5- n/a; n/a. 4.
Jim Crane/Bill Crane/Brenda Crane (Darien, Conn.), (6)-6-
4-1-2-3; 15.75.   
MISTRAL MEN'S (12 boats) 1. Carlos Espinola (ARG), 1-1-1-(2)-1-2;
5. 2. Mike Gebhardt (Ft. Pierce, Fla.), (2)-2-3-1-2-1; 7.5. 3.
Murray McCaig (CAN), 3-(4)-2-3-4-3; 15.   
MISTRAL WOMEN'S (7 boats) (one throwout) 1. Caroll-Anne Alie
(CAN), (2)-1-1-2-2-2; 7.5. 3. Lanee Butler (Aliso Viejo, Calif.),
(3)-3-3-1-1-3; 10.5. 3. Lisa Neuburger (ISV), 1-2-2-3-(4)-4;
11.75.   
SNIPE (8 boats) 1. Octavio Lorenzo/Nelido Manso (CUB), 1-1-1-3-1;
6. 2. Ricardo Fabiani/Roberto Fabiani (URU), 2-2-4-2-3; 13. 3.
Guillermo Parada/Gonzalo Martinez (ARG), 3-DSQ-2-1-4; 16.75. 5.
Doug Hart/Steven Stewart (San Diego, Calif.), 5-DSQ-5-6- 5; 30.


